https://yahoo.uservoice.com/forums/1698 ant-drivel, http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=85131. But it is also true that there isnt a dearth of genuine fans of Kirby who really appreciate his vast knowledge on the field. He also never tells you who the riders on screen are - and if he does, he's usually wrong. You must invest in an alarm upgrade to BT Redcare. For every Nicolas Roche or Steve Cummings great characters, totally locked down there are some savage bastards out there, and we love them all. Colnago is using social media to tease the arrival of its new E64 Performance, which well go out on a limb and guess is the companys attempt to tap into the rapidly growing e-bike market. Cycling is a sport where there are no time limits and there are no constant action-packed sequences to speak about. 26/8/22: Stage 6 of the Vuelta, Kirby informs us (clearly based on nothing) that Mark Padun is 'a master' at descending in the wet (at that precise moment, Padun is descending very gingerly, taking pretty poor lines). Bridport cycles. I think there seems to be a bad feeling against cyclists and its really strange because theyre only people, he continued. Fantasy Cycling: game [at] road.cc Get the latest race news, results, commentary, and tech, delivered to your inbox. And then, you hang a look at anyone who is there to find out if theyre going to listen to you. Tel 01225 588855. And within the second group, he sprints hard, coming 13th overall. At Eurosport, because the producer maynot necessarily be listening to the Englishcommentary, theyll be occasions when I goto Sean and say, so what do you think of Sagan? and hell start mulling it over and responding and then all of a sudden well get a producing lining up a cue pointin his ear, and hell have to switch from his usual, slow voice to speaking very quickly and wrapping up his point in five seconds for no apparent reason to the viewer. From the Eurosports studios in London, covering the tour is not the same as waiting at the finish line. Partly, of course, that's his job - but if you give it out, you have to take it. Astonishingly though, a single stage of the Tour de France lasts for about more than six hours. Hosted by Duncan Steer. Would the football fans be subjected to him commentating on the football matches ? Here they are listed below, but we already know there will be one change - Team Sky will be racing as Team Ineos, with the Tour de Yorkshire being its first race following the management company's sale to the petrochemical business. For god's sake grow up the man's just doing his job some of it good, some of it bad Is it my imagination or has there been more talk about commentators than cycling on here recently? Star names like Sagan getting knocked off and knocked out of races. The problem is that social media has allowed anyone and everyone to voice their opinion, regardless of their credibility. That is the way it appears. They will tell you, Yes, so-and-so is looking really mentally fatigued, or, they are saying, Hes getting very aggressive in the peloton and weve had a word with the team, that is all great information. Carlton Kirby pete54 Posts: 488 March 2014 edited October 2019 in Pro race For all those who can't stand Kirby's 'commentary' (must be everyone on Bikeradar? Strade Bianche 2023, March 4, one-day classic (men's & women's), 78th Omloop Het Nieuwsblad: February 25, 2023, UAE Tour 2023, February 20-26 (women's race February 9-12), O Gran Camio 2023, Spain, February 23-26, 49th Volta ao Algarve em Bicicleta (2.Pro) // February 15th - 19th 2023, Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne 2023 February 26, 196 km (1.Pro). Kirby has however found his own distinctive and unique style which has brilliantly worked for him all these years. You have a sound wall battle, where theyre shoving one way and were shoving the other while trying to sound calm and interesting on the commentary when actually what you want to do is knock someone out! Carlton Kirby: 'Joo Almeida, who won't worry anyone in the General Classification'. This is why he often cracks jokes and laughs heartily. Dan's stage guides at the giro a few years ago were great. I can't understand why Eurosport need to use him when they gave at least four other knowledgeable commentators, even without Harmon. The major problem with this is that you cannot follow a race he is commentating on unless you are watching it - i.e. I have - again - sent this to Eurosport (23/2/23, with 1,871 signatures - and 1,400 people taking the time to comment!). Coverage includes enhanced production with access to helicopter, on-board and superslomo cameras. Riders have lost their ability to race, says LeMond, Nacer Bouhanni handed penalty, fined for shove. Next time you watch, ask yourself how many of his critiques are aimed against non-Anglophone riders. or maybe you,re a relative ?? The atmosphere fills up with buzz from moment to moment that enthusiasm pushes the words out of the heart. Bit harsh, Quigley is a lot more knowledgeable. You get a sense of the weather a bright morning, going up this morning in a hail storm, and the hailstones are this big. It doesnt take much accomplishment to understand what Kirby is referring to. They basically work on the principle that people watching cycling in english are only interested in english speaking riders. There has to be some kind of distance applied and minimal standards of what is needed. Set the scene for us. Nobody but nobody doesnt sprint for 5th at the end of a Monument. You could hear a pin drop. James and Joe catch up with the chosen son of cycling commentary, Carlton Kirby. View our media pack. Kirbys Knowledge and Enthusiasm on the Mic is Unparalleled, When Kirby explains the difficult process of commentating on cycling, Michael Matthews powers to Bretagne Classic victory, Bora-hansgrohe riders false positive raises new doubts over accuracy of COVID-19 testing, Giro dItalia, Milan-San Remo under threat of cancellation due to coronavirus, Ewan storms to victory on stage 2 of UAE Tour. A football match lasts for hardly ninety minutes, a rugby match is over in eighty minutes, whilst a basketball game takes only thirty-eight minutes to finish. Always the hardest and most challenging role in such types of games is of a cycling commentator. The road curved, but it was nothing to concern one's self with. I like him. Theres so much stuff going on because in front of us for starters, we have live timing, results sheets, stage profiles, live pictures, alternative live pictures and a sub-monitor with the schedule. AndKirby wouldnt have it any other way, even if there are those who dont always appreciate what goes into calling a Tour de France stage. Kittel threw his arms up in the air, and lost not only first place, but second, third and fourth..winding up in fifth because of his complaints. Conversely, a Carlton Kirby Fan Club exists for those who love the cycling commentator. De Gendt, Volta 2019 Stage 1 winner. But he's British and that's all that matters to Kirby. (@StasaZlatanovic) March 24, 2019. You take yourself to the studio, call up your procyclingstats.com, do your research online. We saw that on the Tour of Catalunya - a useless piece of motorcycle protocol. Info-wise, being on-site is amazing.. Riders having to get close to a motorbike just to take a corner. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It just stays online forever. I don't have anything against him personally, but he doesn't seem to get the basics of the sport. All material FarrellyAtkinson (F-At) Limited, Unit 7b Green Park Station BA11JB. Kirby laughs. Carlton Kirby Kirby is the most marmite commentator there is. From wrestling with sound walls, coping with dropped audio, working with Sean Kelly and deciphering the Kirby CODEC, we caught up with Kirby midway through the raceto getan insight into life on Tour as a commentator. Its the press guys we see more, because of the mechanics of the day. We caught up with Kirby to learn what is gained for the telecast. Being a commentator is all about improvisation and Kirby knows this quite well considering his huge range of experience. And we have managed to cover his view on it. There are no gaps you might shut up for five seconds or so to listen to the crowd, but thats it.. Whilst im not a great fan of Carlton Kirkby I very much doubt I could talk for between 1 and 5 hours without descending into complete nonsense from time to time. Talk about what you know. When we drive to the finish well usually get on the course, because were badged up to do it, and then make notes. I think you need to be a specialist to be a cycling commentator, yet he covers several sports on Eurosport. Eurosport is transmitting the same amount of races as any standard european tv channel - go to Italy where it is their number 2 sport next to football - they dont struggle for professional sports commentators. And, he is right about it. The youngsters were congratulated by the force on Twitter, as they helped chase down a thief who had stolen over 300 worth of goods. Id love to see this Eurosport commentator substantiate even 1% of the outrageous claims he makes. Agreed. I think as well that audiences will be sympathetic, so even if they know were not there, we will be upfront and honest about it. During a sprint stage, every turn is important, and sometimes Ill walk the final approach with [commentator] Sean Kelly, and there will be no need to even take notes, because hell just say, Oh, this will be shit. You can read an off-camber turn when youre standing on it, and see the attack points when youre going up and down a mountain. Minutes later, Sean Kelly points out that Padun is 'not getting around the corners well not comfortable whatsoever on the descent'. Carlton Kirby is a sports commentator who is most known for his work commentating on the Tour de France. Ill ring someone up on-site to talk to them. He inspires such devotion that he has his own fan club, yet also is on the receiving end of a petition to get him sacked. All of this stuff adds to the vrit of the broadcast, and its stuff you cannot get in a studio in London. The man, the myth, the chosen son. Join Outside+ to get complete access to exclusive content on VeloNews, training plans for road and gravel, and more. Owned by Warner Bros. Kirby is not uncomfortable with the spurt of social media and the exponential increase of criticism that has gone alongside with it. and apologises to those who don't. 00:04:00, 29/05/2020 at 08:52 Related Well then I propose a CN forum audio livestream for the tour de france. Hence, talking on something is difficult without matter. Kittel moves first into Cavendish, who follows the white line. More often than not they slip into commentary which is at best nationalistic, and at worst xenophobic. pic.twitter.com/fFcEf0AgHK, Volta a Catalunya (@VoltaCatalunya) March 25, 2019. We dont want this man commentating. UPDATE: New online Zoomcast show, July 16, click through for tickets. At the moment I turn up to a large building that has been stripped of staff, and there are just 16 people in the building. (PS If there's anything here about donating, that's the website host - nothing to do with this petition - there is nothing to donate to. As is seen in most cases, the primary action of any game takes place during the outset and ending parts. I've just discovered, after following a tweet that Orla Chennaoui had re-tweeted, that the esteemed Mr Kirby has blocked me on Twitter. The walls do move when they pile in too. The Wanty-GroupeGobert rider was air lifted to hospital after the crash yesterday, but thankfully it seems like he's in a stable condition. VN:What difference will people notice in this years Tour broadcast from a normal year, when you and your team are on-site? Brian Smith is very good and I feel for him having to listen to Kirby's dumbfounding comments. The concern of course is how much is this going to take out of him before he begins preparations for the Olympic Games next month? That is in fact my main Friday occupation. That is because like most hacks they are too arrogant to do any research and preparation. Can you at least extend our premium subscriptions so we can play all races, until you fix the issue? My Ultimate Commuter, rebuilding her at the moment, everything external. Eurosports commentator Carlton Kirby has called hundreds of races throughout his career, both on-site and from the studio. Rob Hatch is apparently also good but he doesnt do very much that I've seen. Painting a verbal picture of a five-hour race is stream of consciousness, and to be able to do that effectively, you just need to be there. Get rid. Before Kirby hits the airwaves, he touchesbase with Eurosport HQ in Paris,and then its time to take to the microphone. I'm constantly berating or pointing out the danger of the motorcycle. March 2, 2022 . Especially on unstable surfaces. Yep I always watch the ITV coverage if possible - even if that means missing the stage live and watching the highlights package (like the vuelta). The sights and sounds of the race and the attention of aptitude in an ample pressroom can renounce some valuable chunks for a commentator. The commentary line-up will include regular voices Rob Hatch and Carlton Kirby, who will also joined by cycling legend Sean Kelly at all three major races. Punching the handlebars is the almost universal sign of frustration at losing. It was almost featureless and the riders would not engage in it at all. There are people who love what I do, and others who hate it, he admits. I am very sorry but he is just nowhere near the standards of messrs. Liggett, Boulting, Miller and Hatch. Terms and conditions of use. While cycling commentator Carlton Kirby and his teammates would normally head across the channel for the Tour de France, the recent situation suggests he will be covering the 2020 edition from the Eurosport studios in London. But Mark Cavendish says no: what the track does is make you think fast, it makes you think within a very tight set of circumstances. To my mind, the motorised vehicles are getting far too close, a point I continue to pick up on commentary. There are already calls for a convening of UCI protocol committee so they can start to get some proper rules together about it. Discovery company. I had almost no idea what was going on or who was where. Youre at the finish line, essentially watching the TV albeit with extra screens.. Where is the central body that has its own rules of discipline and rules of engagement that respect distance protocol and passing protocol under the race director? Anyone but dreary Declan Quigley please! You can sound like youre a genius, with an incredible memory, Kirby says. But I do allow people to believe Im always on-site. And suddenly some feel like a part of the race. I talk about the same stuff, except Im making it up. As for the Sky Team Fans member - you wouldnt actually be Mr Kirby would you ???? PLEASE CONTACT EUROSPORT/GCN INDIVIDUALLY AS WELL AS SIGNING, BECAUSE THAT WILL PROBABLY HAVE A GREATER EFFECT. She talks about the background to the petition, which you can sign here, in this video. When all the commentators from different nationalities are inside the same studio room, it is no longer the same as before, remarks Kirby, in a monotonous tone. But he's British and that's all that matters to Kirby. He said from the rider's perspective, motorbikes get far too close to the race. At other broadcasters you still have cue points, but its usually after youve finished making a point [because youre the only commentary team]. Baseless. When Cavendish won again on stage 14, Kittel just fell to pieces emotionally. OK. And then, we wait. 27/8/22: Stage 7 of the Vuelta, Herrada wins the sprint and has his arm in the air in celebration. There is no editing process, except between the brain and the larynx. The very aspect of commentating that requires filling the gaps spanning hours of no action is the reason. A lot of these guys seems to have free rein on what they are doing. Stay tuned! I don't know the guy but I wish in netherlands we would do it with mart smeets, danny nelissen and herbert dijkstra, who are complete idiots. We had a heated debate about the incident and then the person drove away. You have got to be kidding! Jason Kenny has recounted to the BBC the near miss he and his infant son Albie encountered while out cycling last month. . Commentating on cycling is not like snooker or tennis, says Carlton Kirby, a principal commentator for Eurosports cycling coverage, who has worked in the sport since 1996. All rights reserved. I can get caught out, particularly if theres a crash in the last three kilometres, because that can animate the tempo even more and I have to keep something in reserve for the sprint finish. For me, Carlton is the perfect commentator for the 'early shift' on long, flat grand tour stages. Yeah he does. But, being in the studio means there is a considerable loss of interaction. It's embarrassing now. This is why he often cracks jokes and laughs heartily. The Tour de Suisse is traditionally one of the last big races before the Tour de France. It is a thrilling climax and its my job to convey that to the public. Especially on the downhill runs which is a crazy situation. We cant do that when hes at his house and Im at mine. If you are not interested you can unsubscribe at any time. Maybe it's because he doesn't ride a bike himself? CK:I think not many people will notice. Win! Carlton's voice is familiar to fans of Motorsports and Cycling both on British Television and throughout the world. Theyre the best stages, and the most exciting ones, but often as a commentator the days you take the most pride in are actually the ones where absolutely sod all has happened! But saves my life" German governments helmet advert sparks sexism row, Bristol taxi driver who cut up cyclist and braked in front of him has licence revoked (+ video), Porn Pedallers to carry on riding despite being stripped of British Cycling affiliation, in: Car crashes into building - please post your Local news stories, in: Has cycling become F1? How can someone who watches so much cycling know so little? One example of his commentary, from 11/3/21 Tirreno-Adriatico: Carlton Kirby: 'Yates is the heart and mind of this breakaway group'. pic.twitter.com/MaRgbFKTet, The Ella Roberta Family Foundation (@rosamund_ElsFdn) March 25, 2019, @emmachamberlain at her soul cycling class. But, Kirby has to do that, without fail. They kept the suspect in view and assisted us in the footchase before he was caught and arrested pic.twitter.com/QcQg7PBcsn, Wednesfield Police (@WednesfieldWMP) March 24, 2019. Kittel is still the fastest guy out there, but when he turns on the taps there is going to be a point when his maximum capacity starts to diminish. Unlike other sports, the practicalities of cycling dont change, and doing this remotely is not at all a good idea, but the situation makes all helpless. To my mind, the motorcycles are the most dangerous because they have the least ability to stop. At dinner, you gather around the table and argue the hell out of it, and thats a big thing. Kelly will probably kill him by the end. Harmon LOVES cycling, cycling history, and even riders who don't speak English. pic.twitter.com/TkvUUUeBXs. You don't need to be that close to the riders to get snaps. I like Kelly just out of respect more than anything. I think people will appreciate what were trying to deal with. I make notes of the corners, pinch points, danger points, acceleration points, attack points all of those things.. See the recording of the last Carlton Kirby Zoomcast hereEnjoy our vintage/summer Parisian Spotify playlist (plus Little Italy by Stephen Bishop, not French, don't write in) hereSee Carlton's To cycling fans, Carlton Kirbys voice has become synonymous with the sport, having become an integral part of British Eurosports racecoverage. Like in any other sports, being a cycling commentator for a broadcast has its own perks & lows. Its a case of trying to keep everybody amused. I like Carlton too, not as much as Harmon, granted, but I've given up on him coming back. He threw the toys out of the pram because his head is scrambled by these defeats. I quite like Kirby. Please tell your friends: Ive read so many negative comments about Kirby that unlike most online petitions this one could work. For no reason. This year alone, we had a Sky rider getting his elbow clipped by a security vehicle when he went for a gap when none existed. At least King Kelly is still there despite Harmon's departure. He is thinking of five wins, and is finally allowing himself to believe he is going to reach the all-time record of the Belgian all-rounder Eddy Merckx's record for stage wins of 34. "Commentating on cycling is not like snooker or tennis," says Carlton Kirby, principal commentator for Eurosport's cycling coverage, who has worked in the sport since 1996. It's their commentators or silence. ). Among an awful lot of distractions, as Carlton Kirby explains, commentating on cycling is an arduous process. Get access to more than 30 brands, premium video, exclusive content, events, mapping, and more. Its quite nice at the Tour de France that we have a roadbook and a history book of everything were going through. And somebody asked me, why dont you pronounce his name Foo-gel-sang instead ofFoolsong. The headline does anyway, while the sources in the article cover a few different potential causes. While he admits Sagan's explusion for. So, what is Scottish Cycling / British Cycling doing about this? We caught up with Kirby to learn what is gained for the telecast and what is lost from these two very different broadcasting scenarios. Best known for his work on Eurosport, his voice has also appeared on BBC, ITV, Channel 4, Motors TV, Cycling TV, Speed Channel USA, ABC Australia, SABC South Africa, Canal Plus France, Canal France International and more. He is thinking Champs Elysees. In my ear I have a producer telling me when we have interviews, drop-in features, ad breaks and cue points.. There are several fan forums that constantly try to have him removed from Eurosport and even made a Carlton Kirby petition their demands on the grounds of inane chatter, terrible jokes, and unnecessary screaming. In their eyes, he is one of the worst cycling commentators. Kirby remarks, Its not like a written press where you can write something out and finesse it and shave it. 1/9/22 4.2km to go, Stage 12 Vuelta a Espana: the riders are going uphill.Kirby: as they get to this step, but it doesnt last long, its like your mums old step, give it a polish, give it a clean and then a clean pair of heels to everybody else. -"Looks like shit. Whilst im not Carltons biggest fan (prefer Backstead w Harmon) I very much doubt I could talk for between 1 and 5 hours without descending into complete nonsense from time to time. Its the constant attempts at humour, then the giggling at his own in-jokes that has me reaching for the mute button. Cookies help us deliver our services. They only received compensation a couple of years later. Read our full Privacy Policy as well as Terms & Conditions. This person has obviously just seen red, Ive got right of way, Im going to go, and you might have right of way technically whether you do or dont is often debatable but it doesnt give you the right to smash someone and potentially kill someone, which is what is going to happen if you run someone off their bike. Mark Cavendish crossed the line first, and said Kittel came up to slap him in the back. He clearly thinks he's the star of the show. There have always been deaths since the early 1900s from vehicle-related incidents. Matt Stephens will be Eurosport's dedicated reporter on all Grand Tour coverage, bringing breaking news, updates, and interviews from inside the peloton. We met a young boy and young girl who recently lost their mum, and its really sad when you see that side of it. Are you sure? All the news from the site and beyond as we start a new week. And alongside everything going on in his ear and on the screens in front of him, Kirby says the booths themselves can be a sourceof distraction from the job of commentating. He believes. Harmon's attitude can best be described as 'wogs begin at Calais'. His Grand National, Murray Walker shouting in the last 2 kilometres really is unbelievable. Those are definitely the days when you earn your corn. In the early 1990s he became a freelance commentator. On the descent, motorbikes often get too close to the cyclist in front of them. Plus the the week's top tech news, in: Flying Tom Pidcock wins Strade Bianche, in: Cyclists call on council to reconsider unsafe diversion, in: Call for Scottish safety portal that would "deliver justice", in: Campaigners: Remove pedestrian vs cyclist conflict, in: Highway Code changes haven't helped cyclists, Near Miss of the Day 853: Driver of lorry urging cyclists to Please take extra care near this vehicle fined for close pass (includes swearing), Continental unveils the "strongest" and "fastest" ever Grand Prix 5000 tyre models, Brompton boss frustrated to be fighting "war of attrition" against rip-off rivals, Remove conflict between cyclists and pedestrians, urge campaigners in wake of manslaughter case, Have bike tech wars turned cycling into Formula 1? I realise that commentating on a race involving nearly 200 riders is challenging, but since 1986 I have always been able to follow what is going on thanks to the commentary. CK: You need the details. https://t.co/rFjZ7dTFUE. Valverde gets it very, very wrong!" exclaimed . but the bike was nowhere to be found!" Hence, To be qualified to fill up that huge amount of time is, quite naturally, a daunting job. ), peppered with the repeated clichs (just see how many times he says 'puppy paws', joining the party or a dozen or so others). ), there is a thread in the Eurosport 'comments and suggestions' forum requesting that he be removed from the roster. You can't work commentating on it for as long as he has next to informative ex-pros without some of it getting in through osmosis at the least. wow, all the power to you man! People were saying track preparation knocks you back for the sprint because it is a different form of physicality that is needed. Stig Broeckx avoids serious injury after being hit by motorbike. Its windowless. Tom Owen vents his fury after cycling blogger highlights verbal abuse on Box Hill, Geraint Thomas returns as domestique in experienced nine-man line-up, Summit finishes dominate opening fortnight with potentially pivotal time trial in final week, The best of the gear that's dropped into RCUK over the last couple of weeks, One carbon bike and two alloy models for 2016 'cross campaign from Chain Reaction Cycles' in-house bike brand. And thats where comes the utterly significant role of the commentator who not only has to fill the huge time span but needs to stay alert at all times. he's saving his energy. Were literally opening up Sean Kellys cranium to learn the nuances of the sport, and he comes out and says which guy is going to go on and win the next day. Well over a 1000 signatories on that petition now. I don't think much does get through to him, I really wish it did. I never say when Im on-site vs. at the race. Controversial! you can't have it on while doing other things and then return to the screen when it gets interesting because by the time Kirby has noticed many minutes will have passed. #cycling @carltonkirby whatsonreading.com Carlton Kirby True Tales of the Tour de France | What's On Reading pic.twitter.com/RRu5rosVP4, Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) March 24, 2019, This time it's a driver who doesn't get the concept of taking the lane (and is caught soon after he risks an overtake on the clogged up London street anyway), Yesterday officers were helped by youths on pedal cycles & many other members of public in catching a thief (300 theft) from Bentley Bridge who security were chasing for a while. I heard him doing weightlifting once. As a Post Graduate Broadcast Journalist Carltons Television career began with the BBC as a News and Sports Reporter. I would rather have the sound off than listen to his pathetic attempts to link words and phrases together rather than comment on the racing (as opposed to being able to identify riders) about which he knows precious little. As just one example, the long list of criticisms he has levelled at Thibault Pinot. Uhhh, Ill say Bettiol. Harmon's attitude can best be described as 'wogs begin at Calais'. I could get 20 minutes of commentary out of dinner last night. e-bikes are very much the SUVs of the car world with every manufacturer seemingly keen to add at least one to their range to not miss out. You can use your lens. To show no fear is the best skill of all. Thus concentrating becomes a difficult job for a commentator. And to be honest, most of us are scared of losing Carlton Kirkby in case Ant McCrossan takes his place. 35m is 100ft. It is crazy. Twaddle. Carlton Kirby: 'Yates is the heart and mind of this breakaway group'. Can you imagine Paris-Roubaix with Kirby commentating? The Kirby CODEC will also be called into action as his followers on Twitter will know. Following a two year broadcasting secondment with the United Nations in the South Pacific he joined ITV as TVams overnight Sports Producer and Reporter. He is rubbish Eurosport have many other far better options we need a decent commentator not Carltons partridge esque musings. And yet, love him or loathe him, Kirbys voice is as intrinsically linked to the Tour de France, for Eurosport viewers at least, as other famous voices across the sporting spectrum.
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